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Apr 05, 2012



I've been following the story with interest and even by Eve standards it's a dramatic one. Someone leaked The Mittani's home address out during an Eve Radio cast and someone promptly vowed to come round and "rape his wife to death". Several hours later she was posting on the Something Awful boards to ask "which one of you idiots called the police in". They are taking the threat seriously and are keeping an eye on the house. Mittens himself is doing his best to persuade the officers to give Eve a try.


Not an expert on Eve and have not read the linked posts, but according to some, the dichotomy between in-game and out-of-game (aka the magic circle) doesn't exist:


I tend to think it does -- sort of -- exist, but I think the "in game" vs. "out of game" is more about general assumptions and norms than it is about solid lines.

Re freedom -- what does it really mean to be free within a society? I think what you're saying is that Eve is not a democracy, right? I can sign on to that.


Oh, yes. You can def break the game's EULA while you are not actually playing the game. EA told me so, and I have the bruises to prove it.


Whether or not CCP is indeed tossing The Mittani under the bus to mollify the court of bad publicity, I back their reasoning: it happened at a CCP hosted forum and went out over CCP sponsored bandwidth, so it is within their "community standards" purview in the same way the Eve forums are. And the game is also part of that community umbrella (I would take the opposite stand if it were a single player game, and I would take the opposite stand if the incident happened on a third-party venue - those are things EA has done). That said, I cannot find anything in the rules that explicitly says forum and game disciplinary actions may intersect, other than the boilerplate "we can cut you off at our discretion for any or no reason" in both of them. But being a paying account holder is a condition of being able to post in the forums, so they are not unlinked.


I wonder if he is offering to let the officers join the Gooons for a down payment of 600 million isk (In game joke).

More seriously though this is a bad situation and while I admire Mittens' wife for taking it light heartedly I think I would call the police myself if someone made threats like that against anyone in my family.


As alluded in the ted's op, the memes in EVE run deep... "can I have your stuff" , "qq, I'll call the wambulance" etc taken to a whole nother level.

Player to Player scamming is part of the sandbox challenge and like a handshake on a survivor TV show means an entirely different thing to different people within the context.

I'd think people would be able to controll the references to peoples real life names during game related discussions though... that is a pretty easy bright-line for people to follow, and I think inexcusable for Mitani. Of course many people form real life relations in those games (marrianges, rl business partnerships etc resulting) yet the interaction with real names on a meta level is usually limited among much smaller groups of people who have been working intimately in game with each other.

I'm less shocked by the threats themselves because within the game context they are all hyperbole . The eve game enviorment does extend outside of game with all of the thrid party applications, voice servers etc . The meta game very much does include gauging peoples differing holiday and work scheduals to make achieving game goals ineffective and success in the game often comes from demoralizing your opponent on a meta level to make the numbers turning out to attack or defend much smaller as people are unlikely to "set alarm clocks" to wake at 4 am only to lose.

They seem to be trying to draw the line at rl threats though. Someone was banned for telling a CCP employee "i hope you die in a fire" , clearly an example of an idiom not carrying well internationally. To me its the threat connected to spreading a RL name broader than it is know that is wrong. I don't take the "suicide" part at all on the level it sounds, that was contextual hyperbole, yet i was certainly an invitation to RL harrassment , any of which, even a prank phone call, is beyond the correct meta level.


Eve Online transitioned from a game to a competitive power fantasy years ago, and the meta-game is now fused with the virtual. In fact I would argue out of game tools, resources, and communication networks are essential to be competitive.

The actual online game is merely the scoreboard.


Wow. I'm not an Eve player, so I haven't heard this story until now. How outrageous! It sounds like the game world is becoming just as ridiculous as the "real" world.


Cant some sue for that ?

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