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May 23, 2005

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Here's a link to pics, write-ups, and audio from the first Salon, which featured former Terra Nova author Jim Purbrick and the American Cancer Society's Randal Moss.

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Is the Future so soon!?! It seemed like it was farther off. But, I guess as Gibson said, "The future is already here. It's just not widely distributed."

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BB > May 26th, 5:30 PM - 7:30 PM PST

tap, tap, tap, that works out as something like a starting time of 1:30 AM (in old money). I better get the coffee in.


Jerry P > Here's a link to pics,

Of course I just clicked the link to see if I could see myself in the audience. And yup, I’m there.

Then I thought. Hold on, this is SL, the avi is my product in SL (actually the clothes are someone else’s), and I have rights to it. Sure the EULA forces me to grant licence to Linden, but not to anyone else.

So, isn’t it a breach of the public display bit of copyright to show these pics and to stream the next one unless everyone attending agrees to a licence to this effect (in fact the rights clearance would have to go further than this coz of the copyright items that people might have on them who’s rights are owned by others)? Easy to get round as the invite just has to be a contract, but possibly one of the interesting quirks of LLs IP scheme.

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Ren > So, isn’t it a breach of the public display bit of copyright

Ah, greetings, my trans-continentally photogenic friend! :-) Everyone coming to this week's Salon is cool with us recording and streaming it to the Web. With audio and video "SLcasting" coming up right now (the newest addition to the growing [blank]casting family) we'll be seeing a lot more of these portals opening up between SL and other media. If you haven't yet, check out the new map on the Second Life homepage. It pulls pics from Snapzilla, is geographically annotated with images ala Google Maps (Jon Udell's RL walking tour screencast), and displays realtime SL population with US$ transaction data. Absolutely gorgeous. I think and hope as events unfold that transparency will become much less of a copyright issue (though it'll surely be another kind of issue).

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Jerry > Everyone coming to this week's Salon is cool with us recording and streaming it to the Web.

But if we take the example of the clothes that my avi is wearing. They are all designed by Damien Fate. Now, in the in-world transaction, what -exactly- is transferred? Do I automatically get rights to publicly display these i.e. outside SL - on my web site, on TV, in a film, a stream etc? If not, I can’t grant those rights to you. This seems to be a classic rights clearance issue that the movies deal with all the time, unless full rights are transferred with each copy, which I don’t think they are? I’d be very interested if someone could clarify this.

If it’s not the case that one has to worry about such rights, why does Linden have a whole section licensing user IP rights to Linden in the SL contract?


>my trans-continentally photogenic friend! :-)
I’m not just trans-continentally photogenic, I’m trans-world, mb even trans-ontological category photogenic, phew :-))

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BTW, for those who'd like to join us remotely from 5:30 PM PST until around 7:30 PM PST on Thursday (5/26):

•In your regular ol' browser: http://sc1.spittoonie.com:8001/itconversations.sdp

•In Second Life, RealPlayer or QuickTime: http://sc1.spittoonie.com:8001/itconversations.sdp

Audio and video capabilities provided by SL Tech Gurus, Hudson Stryker and Trimda Hedges, respectively.

This month the streaming page will be bare bones. Next month we'll include chat tools to let Web viewers push questions and conversation into Second Life.

Ren > Do I automatically get rights to publicly display these i.e. outside SL - on my web site, on TV, in a film, a stream etc? If not, I can’t grant those rights to you. This seems to be a classic rights clearance issue that the movies deal with all the time, unless full rights are transferred with each copy, which I don’t think they are?

Good points, but Yuck. Clearance for all visuals at this stage would be a total freeze on innovation. Hopefully users will be able to work things out as they do, um, sorta, in this case (warning: a bit of foul language)...

I'm interested to hear Betsy's thoughts on all this since she'll be discussing branded businesses in VWs. Maybe we'll get the scoop tomorow! There's also the Supernova 2005 Business Simulation contest going on. I wonder what they're thinking about these issues.

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Jerry > Good points, but Yuck. Clearance for all visuals at this stage would be a total freeze on innovation.

Yuck indeed. But that’s kind of the point of IP law isn’t it? It rewards some and restricts others – how it works out overall is the balancing act that is endlessly discussed.

What I’d like is another view – Am I right or wrong on the rights thing? Do you actually have the IP rights to do what you intent to? Or do you have to go through intense rights clearance/ contrracts. How does this work for normal TV broadcasts of 'the public'?

You could just ignore it but this does not seem in the spirit of SLs focus on the granting of IP. Or making the invitation a contract which grants licence and, if possible, makes the attendee responsible / liable for the IP of anything their avi may be displaying.

One example would be that of Trade Mark. There is a huge amount of trademark infringement in SL. What are you going to do about that? If someone is wearing some kind of infringing mark say a Coke top are you going to ban them or is this Linden’s problem?

If we take this virtual world stuff seriously then we have to take -all- the consequences seriously, even those that are highly inconvenient. To me this potential issue is one of the most fascinating things about SL as its starting to poke out into other spheres in ways that no one may have intended.

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